Where Science and Woo Meet with Susanne Kurz
Dr. Susanne Kurz, Cultural Scientist & Hypnosis Coach joins me to explore her take on where the science and woo meet.
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Hi and welcome to the You World Order Showcase podcast. Today we have with us, Suzanne Kurz.
::Almost. Yes. Cool.
::I practiced and practiced, I promise you.
::Susanne is a cultural scientist specializing in humanities, and she's a hypnosis coach. Her mission is bringing you into deeper contact with your inner compass and accompanying you into a happier life.
::Which allows her to contribute to making the world a better place person by person, because the more people are in tune with themselves, the more peaceful and friendly our society and the world as a whole becomes. I love that last part. Welcome to the show, Suzanne.
::Thank you, Jill. No, no problem. I it's such an international name. I'm used to people always using their pronunciation. No problem with that. And thank you very much for having me, Jill.
::Susanne, to get your name down.
::But it's so great to finally get to to meet you, almost person to person wonders of the Internet, cause you're over in Germany right now. Right. OK, so.
::Yes.
::Worlds a smaller and smaller place all the time. Susanne, Susanne and I have trouble because I have your name in my head. And I've said it a certain way in my head because we've known each other for quite a while now. And I've really been looking forward to having you on the show because I wanted to talk to you about all the projects you have going on and all the things that you're doing.
::Because they're so into.
::Listing so and you also got me connected with Joanna Hunter, who's also been on this show and and and in her $1,000,000 experiment.
::Which I just I I love it.
::It's so fun because we're all about manifesting and stuff like that in my world.
::So anyway, tell us your story. How did you get started and how did you marry the?
::The connection between science and the Academia world into the Woo world of coaching and hypnosis.
::That's a very interesting question because it's not really something that's very much linked. Essentially, when I decided to leave academia, I've been in academia for most of my adult life. I've worked as a researcher and university.
::Teacher in.
::The.
::Cultural history of the Persian speaking world, which is essentially during the times of Islam. So it's essentially the the eastern and southeastern half of the Islamic hate world which many people don't know because they are so focused on the Arabs.
::Yeah. And when I decided to leave, there were various factors that contributed to this decision. And one of the factors was that I had.
::Kind of navigated myself into.
::Mild burnout, and that was accompanied by some kind of writing block and.
::So.
::What I needed to do was to.
::Make a cut.
::Really hard cut and do something completely different, so I couldn't go into university administration or anything like that.
::I needed a cut and.
::That meant that I had to, and that was a process that took place over a couple of years. I had to find out what else I could do with my life.
::UM, which would not require me to, uh, necessarily use all the skills and knowledge I had acquired over the years.
::Because while I was still trying to do that, I was pretty much stuck because nothing that came up that was outside of academia was better than academia. It would would have been just less money, you know more.
::Yeah. So that wasn't really what I was looking for, but I was actually looking for being self-employed somehow and doing my thing and.
::I'm also not very much employable, let's say.
::I mean, academia worked for me because there is a lot of freedoms still in in the system, despite all the downsides. That's a really good thing for people like me that you can more or less work when when the best times.
::For you and in your own with your own organization around it and and processes and all that.
::And on topics that interest you more or less so.
::Yeah, that didn't work. So I had to find something else, and I had been pointed by colleagues to, well, let's say the.
::The idea that I might be.
::Good at.
::Working with people because whenever there was a uh, problematic discussion to be had with, you know, the uh student.
::Help us in our projects and things like that. I was the person who was going to have to talk with them.
::And yeah, even one of my of my former colleagues I think said something like mediation would be a a good.
::Kind of job for me, so I thought, OK, maybe there's something to that. And then I just did, you know, the exercises you do.
::Like finding out what what you can do and one of the exercises is.
::What is something that you're already doing without getting paid for it, and you could do it?
::More and it wouldn't feel like work and.
::Talk.
::Thing to people and trying to help them solve their problems.
::High on the list, let's say.
::And then I I yeah, I I got the idea to become a coach and I know it's a business model that works for a lot of people. So I thought, OK, you can theoretically make that work and.
::Then I got an education.
::And that was not an university education, because it would have taken too long and cost too much. And all that I didn't have that time and and and money available. It was more practical education, which is a it's a different path that is available here.
::And yeah, I wanted to become a coach and UM, so I learned a couple of things about psychology and.
::How to lead a conversation in in a context where you want to?
::Use that. Use questions on all that to help someone and to find out what their issue is and all that. And I also did an education on and training in hypnosis and that's because I found that this is something that has always fascinated me. And this is something that's.
::Looking back.
::Well, dates back to my teens. When I first learned about all sorts of stuff that German, not German human human consciousness, essentially, which is something that has always fascinated me. And there we, we we approached the point where things connect. I mean I think it's also a very.
::Powerful tool and I always love trance states, which I didn't know until I learned what the translate really is. And then I said ohh yeah OK then it clicked that I'm just someone who likes to be in trans state herself. So it was very.
::Yeah, obvious that it's.
::When did you discover trans states? How old were you?
::I think as a baby because, you know, I get into a translate when I'm in a car, especially when I'm sitting in the car and I'm not the driver. I mean, I also go into a light trance when I'm driving, but it's a different kind of trance, so not that anyone thinks I'm. I'm.
::I I can't react or anything, yeah.
::I know.
::To me.
::I actually yeah. If if if you're driving a lot, you probably know what I mean. And it's a slightly different state, but it's all. It's also a trans state. It's a bit deeper when I'm not driving, but I'm sitting in a car and my parents told me that when they drove me home from the hospital as a baby.
::I think they said I I stopped crying when we had something like 50 kilometres per hour and when it got too slow or they had to stop, then I started crying again. So probably.
::Well, that's interesting.
::Probably I I discovered that I like translates.
::As a baby.
::But yeah, I I think it was. I think it was in, in, in my teens that I I experimented with things like.
::But in Germany we we call it, I don't think you don't have actually have that in English, we call it autogenous training because because it's a German who came up with that, it's that's kind of a self hypnosis.
::And.
::System for self hypnosis which is you know you. You hypnotize yourself to feel your hands and arms getting heavy and getting warm. And then the legs getting heavy and getting warm.
::And then they have several stages to that and that's essentially self hypnosis, but it's a kind of a a system developed how to how to do that step by.
::Said. And that's very well known here and that's something I started testing and playing around with in my teens when I think my mother and my grandmother did a course in that and that was the, that was the time when I.
::Started when I was 12 or 13 or something like that and.
::And then I I started to read things and well I what I have is a very insatiable first for knowledge and learning and figuring out stuff and finding out how the world works and all that. And I think that's where we where we get to the to the Woo Woo because.
::I'm not the type of person who likes to completely exclude things.
::Just because others say that's not real if it's interesting and fascinating and could be a great thing if it works and all that sort of stuff, you know, that's more I it's more my kind of approach is more if it's interesting and it it could be some something good.
::Then let's check it out, and let's read about it, and let's see. And let's evaluate yourself. And that's that's maybe a difference because I, I, I do appreciate if things have something like a scientific.
::Studies to back it up and to tell you, yes, this is something that we have tested and it's proven that it works and all that. I really appreciate if we have that, but it's not necessarily.
::Well, a foundation for me to or a prerequisite for me to.
::To to test something I I like to build my own opinion and I like to use my own brain and I don't necessarily need something like a consensus.
::Uh to yeah to to allow me to permit me to explore something. So that's that's the personality trait. I think that that is a link.
::No.
::That's that's a link between for me personally between academia and the whole world is that I'm interested in learning new things in exploring fascinating topics and.
::Also techniques obviously.
::I like experimenting myself with my own consciousness and my faculties and all that, and that's something I've always had. I've had that as a teenager. As I said, I tried to test or started to test and.
::Stuff and the other thing where the connection is I think is and that's more between the coaching and the and academia is my interest in people. I have a really huge interest in people and their stories and that's an interest you can follow in various professions.
::Fields and on on various paths and one for me was to, yeah. Study the history of people in another culture.
::In other regions different from mine, because it's more fascinating and more interesting. And, you know, just more more excitement for me, if it's not too close to what I live in everyday life, I mean, there are a lot of people, I think, who are just who just think it's if it's not.
::Directly involved in my life, it's not relevant to me or it's it's not interesting, but for me it's it's pretty much the opposite. If it's farther away, it gets more fascinating and more interesting because it's not so easy to, you know, to relate to and to understand. And I think that's a really important thing in our globalized world when.
::When it comes to cultures, also religions and all that.
::That we are aware that our.
::Ways as a as a country, as a culture, a culture is also a a concept that it's very hard to, you know, to delineate, but we won't go into.
::That I think.
::It's I think it's only hard because people don't.
::Not a lot of people actually experience living in other cultures.
::But once you've lived in another culture, it's easier to understand. And when you're in Europe, you have so many cultures that are so close together. I think it's more of an American problem than anything else because Americans seem to think the whole world is just like it is here, but it's not there. There are things that we just take for granted.
::That other people, they express it differently.
::And it's easy to offend people in other countries if you don't understand their cultural differences without even needing to.
::Yeah. Yeah, that's. I mean that's that's.
::That's on. On the practical side is I I think that really interesting to think about how that is in for, for Americans, because obviously you have such such a huge country with different states that you can travel a lot without ever leaving the United States. So you may have.
::Variations and differences there, but they may not be as huge as if you, for example, travel from Germany to the Middle East, which make from the distance maybe a similar distance as when you you traverse several states, but it's a completely different.
::Culture and way of thinking. Although we have a lot in common because of some common rules, but it's in in everyday life it's it's just a completely different experience. So you can travel a lot without having this sort of experiences of of strong differences.
::I mean in, in, in, in Europe, cultures are in let's say middle and Northern Europe cultures are different to a certain degree, but there's also so much similarities that I think it's not that much different. You have different languages obviously which comes.
::The slightly different way of thinking that's that's correct. That's right. So that's probably the the biggest difference. If you go to southern Europe, it's more the Mediterranean, then it's the differences can be more apparent because we go then.
::Into a yeah. Into another sphere of culture. But what I mean by that is all. Also you have these overlaps and it's it's kind of it's not like it's not.
::Sharp cuts between cultures. It's more like these these differences that that, yeah, build up when you move. As you move farther and farther from a certain point of origin. But there's never a point where you can say oh.
::Settle.
::Here is the point where this culture is is.
::The end of this culture, the start of that culture, that's that's that's that's it's not that easy or that that simple it's let's say it's not that simple and then and then within a national culture you also have all the other cultures like your different identities it's it's kind of like circles like concentric circles that get wider and wider.
::Blended.
::But in any case, what I think is really important in a globalized world, and that may actually be something where Americans have a bit of a disadvantage because of this situation, is that we acknowledge.
::That.
::Our ways are not the only ways and also not the only legitimate race and not the only rational race and not the only race that have a logic to themselves. And that's why I think it's important to venture venture outside of your own. You know your own bubble, so to speak and to.
::And to learn and understand and to have people who do that by profession, as I used to do.
::Who?
::Dive deeper into that and try to unravel those inner dynamics and logic of the cultures in a way that then is because we are.
::Coming from a different culture ourselves is then easier to communicate to.
::People from our culture, because obviously in other cultures there are people who are exploring their own culture too, obviously, but that doesn't mean that they will be very efficient in communicating that to people of other cultures. Some can, some maybe not so much. So I think this, this.
::Widening of our own horizons is a very important thing, and that's another important.
::Core element of me, of who I am and of what I'm all about, is this transcend transcending of limitations, so to speak. And that's also a parallel that you have when when you go into the coaching world and the also the woo.
::World, where it's all about breaking down these limits. We are used to and.
::Expanding and exploring beyond that, and yeah, so so that's that's that's what what's important in it for me. But I also think for for a globalised world, it's really important to respect, to accept and respect other cultures, even when you don't.
::Necessarily agree with all the things that are in them you know and personally don't want to live that you don't have to.
::Yeah.
::It's OK, you don't have to. You can just accept.
::Accepting accepting what is allowing people to be who they were intended to be. Because we're all different aspects of the same source, energy and and the expression of. If you give people the freedom to express themselves in the way that is natural for them, instead of trying to push them into the.
::Blocks that we've all been trained to like.
::You must do this and then you must do this and this is how you need to live your life. And these are the steps that you have to take. It feels like we're breaking out of that and it's it's from conversations like this, honestly, that people are are beginning to see that there's there's opportunities for everyone to express themselves.
::That we need to allow each other to and appreciate each other's differences and allow those differences to exist because it makes the whole world richer.
::Yes, exactly. And and this enrichment and also finding you know other ways of thinking and feeling and also functioning other ways of also giving your world meaning interpreting the world, that's also something that then brings me to.
::Mm-hmm.
::Why? I'm also very much into history, so I'm not all only going to mentally.
::Speak to another to another, to another culture. So I'm not moving on into space. I'm also moving in time because it's even more interesting when you go to the when we go to the Middle Ages.
::Where people were.
::Thinking differently and feeling differently and functioning differently and interpreting the world differently, it's just.
::You know this?
::Fascination with the human potential and the the variety of humanity and what it means to be a human, a human being, and to live in this world and to to try to make sense of everything. And yeah, I think it's it's it's really important.
::And it's easier to, you know, to understand, to accept and to respect.
::And then to be able also to to have relationships and and to to business and whatever with people from somewhere else. If you if you have started to or or or or try to understand.
::Library.
::How how that works and have not just been exposed you?
::To.
::The very worst things a culture or a country has to offer, which may have been exported to the rest of the world in in some way and and and think that's all what is about about that. And these people are either either, you know, have adapted themselves.
::To ask the best or their debt.
::And we don't want that. That's that's that's I think that's a tendency if you don't know a lot about it. And so I think it's, it's really important this this widening of of of perspectives to have a more peaceful world and to live together in a more peaceful way. And you know we we we we won't be able to do that.
::Yeah, it's.
::If we if we try to just look, always look from our personal.
::Point of view and perspective and think everyone else should.
::Well, behave according to what we think is right and is best.
::That's.
::The whole the black and white, good or bad, there's there aren't good or bad people, there are just people. We're all different aspects of the same energy.
::Yeah, that's.
::That's exactly my point. We all humans. So that means we are.
::Able to somehow relate and understand so that's that's the basis. And then we have all these differences that are to to explore and to to understand them is help.
::Fall to then be able to see that exactly that we don't have black or white. We don't have good or evil. We have people. We just have people and essentially what every person wants.
::Is to be happy.
::Safe and happy.
::I think that's that's that's essentially and obviously you won't always be on you know on top of the world and and and singing with happiness. But to get to a point where the majority of people is content.
::Is certainly is certainly a thing that's safe and content that that would would certainly be a a good goal if we want to have a world where we don't have, we don't have wars and and crime and all that sort of stuff, there will probably be some people who have, you know some.
::Sort of actual damage, brain damage? Or or really huge mental mental.
::Health issues that may be disruptive, but I think if that is a really small amount of people, we will be able to to deal with that and but. But I think we need a huge majority of people to feel safe and to feel content.
::And there are two.
::In, in my opinion, there are two two aspects to that. One is material and one is emotional and mental and so on. It's more, it's more psychological. And as I don't have the resources to, you know, shower the world with enough, with, with, with enough money and stuff.
::To give everyone material safety, at least what I at least can do when I do the coaching is to.
::Help this individual that has come to me to be happier in their life and more content in their life, and also I've learned that obviously people who don't have the the same sort of material issues that.
::I would say the majority of people in the world has that they not aren't necessarily happy and content. So that means there is another element that needs to be to be addressed there. So it's it's useful to do that.
::But yeah, so it it in very broad strokes. That's that's the vision I have is that we we need to get to the point where we have more collaboration cooperation and and tolerance and respect and acceptance and.
::That is something you.
::Get easiest when people don't. Yeah, don't. And and in survival mode, let's say and. And that's also, you know, the thing we we have in Germany at the moment on a political level with the Green Party pushing through a lot of things which.
::Essentially, may be good for the climate. There also disputes about how much it helps really, but maybe good for the climate and against climate change and all that, which is certainly an important thing to tend to. But at the same time, you want.
::Be able to do a lot on that level if you have people who are still, you know, in survival mode and either really struggling to to just keep what they have, you know, or at least being concerned about that a lot in.
::In their minds, and so I think it's really a basis to to create that sort of and and that's a problem, I think, because the people people are saying you, you we we need to do a a lot of things very quickly about the climate.
::Change but the basis to to make that work is to rebuild or or or or re reform our societies in a way that people can actually tolerate that because that's something I learned.
::You know, when I was doing historical research and I obviously we have, I was working on.
::The Islamic cultures, or the culture or cultures that are influenced by the religion of Islam and obviously you come across the situation that in the Middle Ages Islamic societies often were more tolerant than Christian ones. So at the same time, you know and.
::But on the other hand, today they they they're not really, they're not really prominently, you know, famous for being the most tolerant.
::Cultures and what I learned through history and historical research there is that it has to do with.
::How?
::The situation was so they were usually most tolerant when they were safely in power.
::And not threatened. And if you think about it, that's actually something that also works on the individual psychology level. If if you feel threatened.
::In your own existence or the you know the the.
::Level of standard of living.
::Yeah, the standard of living, which is, let's say, a reasonable standard of living. We are not talking about someone who has several billion Villa villas and pools and whatever, let's say, just middle class, you know.
::A comfortable standard of living middle class Western society and.
::Then people feel threatened in that. Then there's that's a that's a fertile, fertile ground for.
::Being being uh.
::Revolutions.
::Yeah. Also, at some point it may come to that, but also for you know, for hatred against strangers.
::Or or foreigners coming immigrants who come in and use up resources, or, you know, then people get the impression that there's isn't enough for us already. And then we have to give more.
::Others. So you get this sort of problem, then there is obviously there's not much, much love for spending a lot of money on on things that are good for the climate, but you actually can't afford them, you know, but you're going to be forced to do it. And if you don't do it, then you will.
::Just you just have to. Yeah, your, your, your your own option maybe to for example sell your house or something because you just can't afford it and things like that that.
::You're punished.
::That's that's something that stands in the way of, you know, an open, friendly kind and progressive society that that cares for not only.
::Immigrants, but also the planet and all that that that has, it's essentially what drama also says in her teachings. If your cup is.
::Build, you know, then you can go on and look for how do we save the world and the rest of the people and all that? If you are concerned with OK, how do I make it to tomorrow or to the next month or to next year or even to what's going to happen in the next 10 years when I'm probably still be alive? And do I lose everything or do I lose this or do?
::I lose that and.
::And you get in the survival mode then obviously you are not very open to prioritising the greater good.
::So I think that's that's really something, uh we have.
::To.
::Kind of find a solution for and yeah, but we are way past your question I think, which was about how to go from how to how to connect academia with the Woo. And I think there is not not not really a direct connection, but the thing was that I was.
::Increasingly reading about, well, let's say I had a I had an existential crisis, as you sometimes have in the middle of your life, and for me, the middle of my life was somewhere in my 30s, and not that I'm think it's the middle. You know, I I have huge plans to get very old, but.
::Something like an early onset of a midlife crisis, let's say for certain reasons which had to do with personal life, which had to do with work, not work conditions, but the system.
::How the system worked and didn't really offer great perspectives, let's say, and especially not long term perspective which would have been helpful for having a family for example, so that all feeds into each other and during that time I then fell back to.
::Things that I had pushed aside before I had been interested in in my teens and in my early 20s, and then had pushed aside because I felt I didn't come to a solution for myself and it made me miserable and.
::It kept me from enjoying life, and so I thought, OK, you have your lovely subject of studies which you love and you have this and you have that and the world is a nice place. So just.
::Focus on that for.
::A while and I did that for. Yeah, well into my early 30s, early to mid 30s.
::And then it resurfaced when I had this crisis and.
::Because for me.
::It was always important to find kind of meaning in life.
::I mean, there are people who say it's the wrong question to ask for, meaning you should. You should, you know, just experience it and all that. And it's all true on a certain level. But for me, it was important to have.
::Some sort of meaning, because otherwise it's like if everything is.
::Pointless to a certain degree, yes, this might might be enjoyable, but if something is not enjoyable then and that's also pointless, you know, then what's the point in going through this? And you know, so I I'm the sort of person who needs meaning so and if and for me it looked like this if this is.
::Our only life and with death, death, we vanish into nothingness.
::Then there's no meaning, and there's no point and.
::So I had.
::Worked on that and thought about that and explored things in my teens and early 20s already. And then as I said, not found solution. I had started to look at near death experiences and things, but.
::I think I was just wasn't wasn't ready to fully embrace.
::The the possibility of it, let's say, and it's also very complex and hard to rub your head around in a in a positive manner. Sometimes, especially when things like karma and rebirth and things like that really.
::Incarnation come come into the into the the equation and I I also didn't really want to look at the option of reincarnation because I always thought that I was pretty lucky in this life and so.
::What's the next?
::One gonna break.
::Yeah, obviously you could. It's it's it's not like you're expecting to get much better, but it's very likely to get worse. And so so you're not really interested in reincarnation, but.
::After I pushed it aside, it wasn't solved for me. So that means, uh, yeah, OK. I was distracted for a while and I did enjoy what I did and all that, but at some point.
::In my 30s, I came back to the question.
::What is this all about and what's the meaning of it and what's the point? Is it really, you know, this material material, materialistic, that's a really hard word in English for me to pronounce materialistic paradigm that we are living in, which is propagated by the by the sciences.
::Essentially, and and also adopted by the humanities. Because just what what intelligent educated people have to believe these days?
::That's.
::Well, if if. If that's true, that's just. That's just really devastating and I hope that's not true. So let's let's let's go again and have a look again and see if we can find some sort of.
::Proof that that's not true or something that at least casts reasonable doubt on it, and so that's what I did. I started reading again and there were new books that had come out and I have actually a YouTube series on the topic now it's.
::I do it in German and in English, so I have. Usually I have two videos, one I record a video in German and then I record the same video in English and it's pretty much the same content. Something sometimes there are slight variations, but because I don't script it, if I scripted it, I could as well write A blog and not do a video, you know? So I don't.
::Print that I I just. I think about what do I reread and think about what do I want to convey and what's the content? And then I start talking and I would rather do 10 retakes than.
::Script it so.
::I mean, it's maybe idiotic because it's probably more time consuming this way, but it feels easier for me so I do it that way and.
::Where I discussed that I also have the in in the first episode or two episodes I've I've talked about my story and how I came to do that and I'm kind of retracing my steps from.
::Back in 2011, 2012, when I restarted reading and.
::I started reading about near death experiences again. I started reading about some uh, read some books for dummies about, you know, physics and the brain and all that to see if there's anything that science has to say that really disproves.
::The clothes you can get from near death experience.
::Because obviously that's not. It's not. It's not like hard proof proof. It's not something that you can dissect or redo in a laboratory and.
::Wonder if if, like the remote viewing wouldn't.
::Lend some information to you around that.
::Because remote viewing is used by governments even.
::Yeah, I mean that, that's also interesting that there is, you know, behind the doors and the curtains the maybe things going on while the rest of the world is thinking well, we all just our bodies and our brains and that's it.
::But yeah, there are. There are a couple of things that I I don't really understand how why it's not explored further because there's the there was the aware study.
::About.
::Out of body experiences.
::Which was conducted in various hospitals around the world where they projected symbols at the ceiling generated by a computer A and in a in a completely random pattern. So nobody really could know what.
::Was projected there at any given point in time, and then they hoped that when they brought in patients that had a heart attack or some.
::Thing and the hat stopped beating, which which is one of the most of the of the of the most frequent cases. When people then have a near death experience.
::That then some of them would have an out of body experience and.
::Go up to the ceiling, because that's often how it's described and look down and see the projector and see what is projected then and then afterwards they could ask them about it and then check in the computer what what is. Does it match? You know? And that would have been a really nice proof of.
::Uh.
::That being actually a thing, you know, and not just something that.
::Works in the brain but.
::Have you seen the experiments that people have done where they they're blindfolded, but they can still see out outside like they can read stuff and they can describe things?
::Bye.
::They're fully conscious and just blindfolded.
::I yeah, I don't, I don't.
::Know about scientific studies. I would have to check that I have. I have read a lot about that. There are also courses where you can train that.
::But I I really don't know about studies about that, but would be interesting to to add that to to my program. But what came out of this? I mean the problem with this aware study was that.
::There were practical problems. Most of the people who had out of body experiences weren't in the rooms with the projectors, and those who were there that I I think they it came down to two people that they could actually interview who were in such rooms, but they didn't have.
::Experiences that gave any any input about the projectors and what what had been projected there, but there was one case where they because of the protocols they had from the surgery they performed where the person.
::Described in a very detailed way what had happened in the room and I could check with the protocol of the surgery and that was also.
::Ohh.
::Uh, during a time span where you actually because there seems to be a time span.
::Where there is actually increased activity in the brain at a point when of of prior to you know these modern days you you couldn't even measure that and couldn't, and you couldn't.
::From.
::Expect that, but that's in a certain time frame after the heart stops. I think I would have to look up the details. I have it in my in my videos because I looked it up for the video, but.
::This was this was a time spent that went over this time spent of increased brain activity, so that can't explain that.
::And it was correct and it's not completely foolproof, but because.
::It's in the same room, so there could still be some sort of perception that we just can't measure these days, but it's it's really it's really.
::According to what we know today, you know it's it can't be explained if.
::Consciousness is produced by the brain, so that's that's one case. That's that's really interesting. But there are also things.
::You know, I've just had a video with some cases.
::From a book.
::Of a biologist, German biologist who wrote this book in I don't know, 2012 or 2015 or something.
::And UM.
::He collected cases.
::Some very old from the literature from 18th, 19th century, some also that had been reported to him. So from our century and that were cases of people whose brains were.
::Actually damaged.
::And and so it's really clear because there was either an autopsy or one of the cases I I picked out four cases that were especially stunning, I think in the the the modern case was they they did that it scans and all that. So they knew the situation of the brain.
::And these people had something that's called terminal mental clarity. So shortly before their death, or sometimes as long as three weeks before, but mostly shortly before their deaths they had.
::Moments where they came back to complete mental clarity and could communicate and remember everything, and could also remember and because they talked about it. Things that had happened before when they had not been in.
::A conscious state or able to communicate, or when essentially everyone thought they they wouldn't even notice what happened.
::You know, so it's it's quite interesting, but that's that's the path I went to check on my on my, you know, rational level. What do we know and what do we not know and is there some sort of evidence?
::That.
::We are more than our, you know, our physical bodies and.
::None of that, as I said, none of that is and and obviously the the question for me would be if there are people who can who can.
::Astro.
::Level at will. Then why would you do studies like that where you have so much random randomness in it that it's it's it's it's a lot of expenses, but you can't really gain good results when you as well could just put someone who can do that into a room and.
::Uh.
::Do the same thing and monitor them and then check back. You know, I don't know, maybe that has been done and hasn't worked. I don't know. But in any case.
::Money.
::It's not, it's not.
::Money is the answer to that question.
::Yeah. Well, obviously you don't get, you don't get funding for things that are out outside the paradigm. Yeah, that's that's that's the other problem.
::And and you do get money from the government if you have some system for helping them spy on other countries, which is what they use remote viewing for.
::Yeah. Obviously, yeah. Yeah, but.
::It's the Black Ops sort of thing.
::Yeah, but essentially, uh, essentially, uh, what I mean to say is we we don't have, uh, in what I have seen, we don't have, you know, foolproof, you know, scientific evidence. But we have enough evidence for me to say, OK.
::Also, the number of people who had this kind of of there, there's more. Obviously there's there's the near death experiences, there's this sort of stuff with damaged brain and mental clarity. And there are other things in this area it's it's it's a whole host of.
::Things and it's so much that I don't think it's plausible. And here we are in the humanities. I don't think it's plausible to assume that all of that is based on people being delusional or liars or mixing something up in their memories.
::I mean, memory is a very complicated thing. One has to be really, you know, cautious about that because the way memory works, it's really human memory.
::We, when it comes to details, it's details and exact timing and all that. It's really unreliable but.
::I think for myself there was enough evidence to say OK.
::I think I can safely assume that there is probably more to us than just being completely.
::Produced by our bodies, I mean our consciousness being produced only by brain and body and.
::All that so.
::Once I made this conclusion, I had a really.
::Well, that that was beautiful because I I I I I went out and I looked at the sky and I looked at the trees and everything. And I I thought well, life is beautiful. The world is beautiful. It's so wonderful. I felt really happy. I was so relieved and so happy. And sometimes you really only realized how heavy something has weighed on you when the.
::Weight is taken off and that that that was a real game changer for me when I was at the point where I thought, OK, so.
::It looks like and that's the other thing. I also looked into the materialistic paradigm and is this proven and it isn't proven. That's the other thing you you can't really prove it because at least not at the moment. I don't know, maybe there's someone's going to come up with something that I can't imagine, but you can't measure.
::The content of consciousness, that's the thing you can measure brain activity and then you have a correlation to something people experience.
::And can report, so you have to experience and you have the brain activity and that correlates because it's at the same time if it is at the same time, which comes down to those, you know, very small amounts of time, sometimes fractions of seconds and so. But that's what you have. And the correlation is not a causal.
::Link it's a correlation. It's just there at the.
::Same time and then.
::The cause, the cause and effect thing. There are other models and other options how that could work, so it's not proven. Let's say that that's that's my result result of my personal amateur research into into science was this is not proven.
::And there is there are things that can't be explained by this inside this paradigm. And if that's the case, then there must be more to explore, which currently isn't being explored because of reasons we know and system and all of that.
::So. So that was essentially essentially the point where I said, OK, so that means we have one unproven belief that it's very widespread and upheld by people and they have some evidence that suggests it could be correct, but it's not approved. And then we have another option.
::Which is also not proven. You know, with hard scientific facts. But it's essentially they have both have the same.
::Claim to you know, uh being uh being correct because both aren't proven so it means I can't believe this or that I can choose if I can choose, why would I choose the thing that.
::Makes me.
::Miserable.
::So that was the point where I for myself and I'm not suggesting anyone.
::Should necessarily do that if they are happy with.
::Evaporating into nothingness when they die, then obviously. Well, no problem with that. But if you if you don't feel happy with that, if you feel miserable about that, if it spoils your joy, if it makes you think that life has no point and and.
::It's all you know, you get desperate about it and all that then then why believe that if you can all as well believe the other thing so.
::Essentially, that's kind of how I would say there's no direct connection between academia and.
::Well, let's say the Woo realm, but.
::There is kind of.
::An approach that I as an academic.
::With let an inquisitive mind and all that you know the the kind of thought processes that cast doubt on things that I may find Nice, but.
::May have other explanations, you know, and I I totally acknowledge, you know, my bias in that. But I also have because that's what we are trained to do as academics. We know our bias. I know that my bias always was as I wanted.
::That materialistic paradigm not to be true because it made me miserable, but.
::There's a whole world full of people that choose religions and it's.
::Right.
::But I had a.
::Yeah. And I had a I had an I I found an approach approach that worked for me that is.
::In a way, it's not. It's not strictly academic, but it has elements of how I do academic work. And so it was enough for me to personally come to the conclusion I can as well believe that there is a part of me.
::Some form of my consciousness that lives on and once you cross.
::Over to this point then it's, it gets really interesting.
::Because I think there are a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of ******** out there.
::Which caused itself spiritual or whatever and.
::Some is very interesting and great for people who have a mind. Uh, like me, who like fantasy and all that because you can you can have all these worlds and things and ideas and so on. But there's also a lot of stuff that is.
::That I can relate to and I can can connect with on the basis that I think there is a background reality that is not usually perceived by our five senses, unless we are psychics and I'm not definitely not, and I think.
::Well, the reason I I started the YouTube series on that is that I think there may be more people like me.
::Who?
::Who are miserable and unhappy in the materialistic paradigm, but have been brought up in it and think it may be true and don't have personal experiences that.
::Show them another.
::Another option, because obviously if you can see dead people or something like that like like Joanna tells us about her, her childhood, when she when she thought everyone can see them and all that and learned that of apparently that's not the case. Yeah, that most people can't but.
::Most people can't.
::If you can see, yeah. Obviously if you can see that people and say ohh your grandmother gave me this recipe and the other person says.
::How my grandmother has been dead for 10 years or something, obviously in in that case you have an advantage. You you will see the world differently. But if you don't have that and you are surrounded by people who don't have that, and then very authoritative sources.
::Like science? Tell you that's not possible.
::But you feel miserable about it. Then you are really caught in a in a in a bad situation. And I worked my way out of that and in working my way out of that it was really important to to come across people who were had a similar background, had a similar starting point as me.
::And and got got to to different convinced by a different well.
::Worth.
::You because they encountered some things or had experiences or came to conclusions. And I essentially started the YouTube series because of that because I thought maybe I can be not not in the same way because those often were really were scientists and people who did.
::About certain did did did real tests about certain things and studies and all that and and and try to really got about it scientifically, which I just can't do because I'm I don't have this, you know equipment for it but.
::Maybe I can be with my reasoning just simply with my reasoning and uh, the uh, the information I've gathered and I'm explaining. And I tell them what I think about it and why I think about it this way.
::Maybe I can be someone like that for someone who is searching and is a seeker and is miserable and wants to find.
::Away and and and if it's only that they go and read the books that I mentioned and and go on from there or find their own, you know, their own resources about it that that are sufficient for them or helpful for them. So that's that's essentially so everything somehow connects always. But I really think there's no.
::Currently no bridge between.
::Between let's say normal academia, the the the majority of academia and and and the war and the war is actually also. It's obviously. Yeah. So obviously there there are a couple of logical problems and things surrounding that. And I think it's it's really interesting.
::To look at things and to to check where do we have.
::********. And, well, we have things that are just phrased in a way that may look like ********, but it's just, you know.
::Very express something that relates to the background reality that in my opinion obviously is there so and then and then you can just check what is useful for yourself. Like. I mean that's that's actually my pragmatic approach to believes.
::Fred.
::What is useful for me to believe? What what is helpful and what is detrimental and if, for example, if you have something like?
::The law of attraction and you, you're listening to to someone like Abraham. Abraham travel by Esther Hicks and and it it boils down to make an effort to to be as happy as you can.
::6.
::Every day or to feel as good as, let's say, to feel as good as you can every day.
::Then and and then things might happen. Then you have. Essentially you have a win win situation because and it's also something that has has in in in one of her anecdotes what she did in her journey. But I think that's a win win situation because there's there are only two possibilities either.
::I feel better and I get what I want or I feel better and I don't get what I want, but I still feel better.
::You know what I mean?
::But you still feel better.
::Exactly. So. So why not? Why not try that? You know, so.
::And.
::Yeah, and and and and that's that's.
::I think this works for on a lot of different levels. Having deconverted from Christianity I I can see people that are trapped in religious paradigms that are like it. There's not serving them. It's clearly not serving them to believe the things that they're believing.
::Cause it's making them miserable. They're feeling like hopeless, even though it's supposed to be give you hope it it can actually leave you feeling hopeless and useless and and not that you'll never measure up, and you'll never be good enough and.
::To to go on this journey similar to the one that you went on though, you're looking at a materialism versus a spiritual.
::Acceptance of the way reality exists.
::They're coming out of different religious confines.
::Might be it might help people to explore those options too and and see what makes them feel better in the present.
::Yeah, and and actually I would, I would just encourage people, I mean not to, uh, you know, don't don't let your life fall apart because you're just lying down and trying to trying to meditate the whole day. That's not what I would I would advise.
::Yeah.
::This if if you can't afford it. I mean, if you have a bit of a bolster, you financial bolster, you can test it.
::For a while, but.
::I would, but I would always say just just test things on yourself. That's that's really something I'm I've always been doing. I will always be doing and that's and obviously you.
::Then, assuming some something works for you, that there will be other people, not necessarily everyone, but there will be other people. It works for too, because you're not that special, but yeah.
::There's a lot of us.
::But but.
::I I always think a personal experience often overrules it. It it it doesn't. It doesn't replace, you know, scientific results or anything, because if you want to lift something on a very general level, you obviously you need that, but for yourself.
::Your personal experience will always override scientific results, and if you if you wait for science to to really explore things they currently can't explain.
::In a way that maybe at some point they can, but for that they first need to acknowledge they exist and are worth exploring. And if if, if you want to wait for that, it may be well after your lifetime. So I wouldn't. I wouldn't do that. Personally, I wouldn't do that. I would just go ahead and.
::Yeah.
::And test things for myself. And yes, you have a lot of trial and error and you may have failures on the way and all that. But yeah, it's not for everyone. I think someone like me, it doesn't. I I I don't. I don't.
::I don't mind.
::I don't mind if something doesn't work for me and I have made. I have had the when I tested it I have just.
::Have had the experience that sometimes a couple of years later it may work.
::So it's some sometimes worth to try again when you are in a different place.
::Because we we we change, we don't remain the same all of the time, especially in in the years between, let's say 15 and 40 or even 25 and 35 and 30 and 40 and they are always changing, but they are.
::Always changing.
::40 and 50 and 50 and 60.
::There, there are certain there are certain time frames where I think it's especially strong. So up to 25 it's especially strong, fast-paced, let's say fast-paced.
::It may slow down then, but yeah, I don't. I don't really mind because I I like trying and testing and exploring, so maybe some people don't like that as much then yeah, and rather want to follow something someone else has really strongly, you know.
::Explored and tested and whatever, but yeah, I'm.
::No, no, I I do. My I do my own thing. And and it's really I think I couldn't have gotten as far in, in, in, in my personal development in exploring these kind of things.
::If I had stayed in academia because you are surrounded by people who will think you're a little bit dumb, maybe.
::Or insane or whatever, something that's totally detrimental to your image if you.
::Want.
::To get more job.
::If you go about it and talk about it.
::So.
::I.
::Get that? That's I think that's that's that's really hard when you are in that environment to to.
::So Suzanne.
::Yeah. So how did people get in touch with you if they wanna explore more about this or just work with you?
::Yeah. OK. So the one thing is this topic specifically, we have talked about is on my YouTube and it's still ongoing and so they can check out my YouTube channel where you also find my Facebook page my where I have also have coaching offers.
::I do a main offer which is my main hypnosis offer is a trans journey to the power within.
::This is something that's not even in the wool area, because hypnosis has has been researched a bit. It's more it's about connecting with your inner inner world and your inner resources and your your inner wisdom, so you just.
::For a while, get rid of your rational mind. That is uh talking.
::All of the time and and and keeping you distracted and distracting you from from things you may want or need. And deep inside? No, but.
::You know it can't tolerate that for whatever reasons. I had that for a long time, like when I.
::I had. I had a pretty good intuition for.
::Huge life.
::Decisions.
::For a long time. And then I buried that on under. Uh, great amount of survival mode feel and at some point I realized that I had lost touch with that because I didn't know where to go and what to do and all that and I found.
::That I have to.
::Dig that up again and.
::I found that a a hypnotic trance state is really helpful for that. So if you are in that situation that that's something I can.
::Offer but there.
::Are other offers also and you find them on the Facebook page.
::In German and in English, it's a very short description for each service, but they are because there's a character limit, but you get an overview. I also have a website which is mainly German at the moment. I'm trying to get it translated into into English and set up by.
::At the end of the month, because I have promotion come out in English, but let's see and.
::Yeah, there's also e-mail address and you also can find me on LinkedIn.
::And obviously my personal Facebook profile. I'll send you all the links for the for the show notes.
::We'll make sure they all get in the show notes.
::Yeah.
::Exactly. And and obviously the thing that that connects all my yeah, we haven't we haven't mentioned my new media branch of the of the business and my project.
::Your new project, I think we're going to have to have you come back and talk.
::About that so.
::So let's just have a let's.
::It's been.
::Just have a short short, yeah.
::Mention of that because I also have the the the media branch of the business where I'm offering, you know.
::Entering podcasts and other shows, YouTube shows also independent TV talk shows on OTT and all that.
::On IMDb, which is the International Movie Database which has opened up to podcasts too, it's it's becoming the biggest central database for all things media, international database. And it's really helpful for credibility, authority, quality backlinks.
::Uh.
::And also makes the show more interesting for people who already have a profile up there or want a profile up there because they can.
::Get a credit.
::And couple of other things I'm trying to build, actually a conscious show network on there because the more conscious shows are on there.
::Or spiritual shows, or however you will call them.
::The more interconnections will be there and the more visibility will be for each of them.
::We'll come with that. And I also do a little bit of, you know, video editing, repurposing of audio for podcasts, YouTube service and things like that for coaches and healers who don't like the tech stuff and what kind of pulls it all together.
::It's.
::Fantasy TV series in development and there you have, you know, the vision for the world, which is obviously played out here in fantasy World. In a fictional world which has the the upside that we can.
::Have things as facts in this world that.
::Are not easily seen as facts in our world, or don't exist in this form in our world and we don't have to prove anything. We can just work with that. And so there is. Yeah, I mean there and that is there is essentially.
::A lot of my knowledge, skills, experience from academia in it, in the world building and all that.
::It is a a story where, well, very briefly, said the Mad king of a magician, real.
::Wages a new war on the adjacent?
::Merchant Kingdom.
::And that forces the Regent minister, the aging Regent Minister of the murdered Kingdom, back to his magician roots.
::And.
::He doesn't really know yet, but he gets pushed to his limits. And on this journey and has to take center stage.
::At.
::Well, the dawn of a new era which goes beyond clash of civilizations, and so the under. So we have an adventure story. There's magic in it. There's war in it. There is cultural conflict in it.
::Personal conflict. There's family. A lot of family.
::We have a main character who is in his 50s.
::We also have a main female character who is in her 40s, mid and 40s, so also a bit more mature, but we also have a younger generation and we have underlying themes like overcoming clash of civilizations and mid life.
::And also midlife crisis as a portal to new avenues. We have something for I think for people of all ages. But the main focus of this is on all of on an audience 35 plus.
::People who like.
::Period and fantasy, so historical drama and fantasy, and something like on the overlap. There is an overlap between shows like for example Vikings and Game of Thrones. One is historical and one is fantasy, but.
::This is.
::There's a huge overlap in the fandom, so that's essentially a target audience, not necessarily the only one. But what I have in mind for that. And we have a really great actor for our main character who has meanwhile been attached officially and announced.
::He's Ivan Kay. He's a British actor.
::Who actually should be known by more people, but all those people who have seen the the serious Vikings will know him as King, Elite of Northumbria and he's he's awesome.
::Very versatile, goes very deep, very deep emotional impact and all that.
::Gives death to all sorts of characters, even if they are not very well written and I I can't wait to see what he's going to do with the character, and I will do as much as I can to have him play through his whole range and for the female lead I'm looking at someone.
::At an actress I really like who is also.
::Rather established and we are in talks, but nothing to share yet. Yeah, and yeah, there's a lot more to say about that, but.
::Essentially we have we have various levels on that. It's something for people who just want entertainment as well as people who want to be inspired. It's essentially that the thing that I want to see on screen, something I thought, now let's do it ourselves. I have a director who is.
::Very good at making a lot happen with little funding.
::Because we are an independent project, obviously we that's currently money is.
::An important thing, and we have to work with well as efficiently as possible, and yeah, if anyone is interested in that, we have an Instagram account.
::For the series, which is called magicians blood, the Instagram account is named Magicians blood series, and we have a Facebook page, also magician's blood series and.
::I would love people to follow and interact, and if you.
::Want to, you know, be a patron or a sponsor or anything.
::Just let me know and we'll talk about that. And also if you want to be maybe an ambassador or know someone who can help us.
::Let me know about that. Yeah, and well. Meanwhile, I'm.
::I'm going to work on getting in as much income as possible from the business this year and then hopefully I can pull more into the project because that's obviously my big passion project where, yeah, all the world's, the, the, the media thing.
::And the creativity thing comes in. I'm mainly writing, but I also love, you know, picture editing, video editing and all that sort of things.
::So that comes in. My academic experience comes in my hypnosis, trading and life coaching comes in my spiritual journey and development comes in.
::My vision for how a brighter world should look comes in and yeah, and there are a lot of more topics in this and all that. So that's just the main.
::Delineations. So thank you so much for sharing all of this. What's the one thing that you hope the audience takes away from our conversation today?
::Well, I hope that they feel encouraged if they are currently stuck in the materialistic paradigm but don't feel happy with that to keep going.
::Especially as I haven't mentioned that, but I also not yet on my YouTube, but will do. I have found that you can have experiences at some point even if you don't have them from birth. You know, just keep going. That's that's the one thing I hope they take away from it and I hope I have made them.
::I'm curious about all the things I have to offer and that I will see some of them in my world.
::That's wonderful. Thank you so much for joining me today.
::Thank you for having me.
